. >> you guys, karl rove and your buddies, remember karl rove. eight years ago you went up to ohio and cleveland in the black areas and basically went to the black ministers up there, karl rove and who was that guy, the boxing promoter, and you guys -- don king, and you rallied all them, we have to fight this gay marriage thing and you used that to destroy john kerry in ohio and cost him the electoral college. >> that was an exploding cigar and we're paying -- >> where were you then? did you fight -- >> i was fighting in iraq. i was deployed in iraq so i was -- >> touche you win. thank you for your service. thank you for your service. it's a very good alibi. >> but we paid for it in the '08 cycle when we weren't running on it. we certainly weren't running on it in 2012. we have been trying to run away from this issue and we have been paying for it in spades since '04. as you said earlier, the platform document -- >> this country has never gone through a faster transition in thinking and i'm part of it, all right. everybody is part of it in differ